Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/26/1993 03:00 PM House L&C

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                    HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                   
                       STANDING COMMITTEE                                      
                        January 26, 1993                                       
                            3:00 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Rep. Bill Hudson, Chairman                                                   
  Rep. Joe Green, Vice Chairman                                                
  Rep. Eldon Mulder                                                            
  Rep. Brian Porter                                                            
  Rep. Bill Williams                                                           
  Rep. Joe Sitton                                                              
  Rep. Jerry Mackie                                                            
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  None                                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  *HB 41:   "An Act relating to civil liability for skiing                     
            accidents, operation of ski areas, and duties of                   
            ski area operators and skiers; and providing for                   
            an effective date."                                                
                                                                               
            HEARD AND HELD IN COMMITTEE                                        
                                                                               
  EO 82:    Transferring administration of the charitable                      
            gaming program from the Department of Commerce and                 
            Economic Development to the Department of Revenue.                 
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE                                             
                                                                               
  * First public hearing.                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Rep. Gail Phillips                                                           
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol, Room 216                                                      
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 41                                  
                                                                               
  Bruce Rizer                                                                  
  5530 Rabbit Creek Rd.                                                        
  Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                     
  (907)345-1743                                                                
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 41                                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Leroy Cabana                                                                 
  6100 Andover Circle                                                          
  Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                     
  345-5827                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 41                                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Rhonda Scott                                                                 
  3866 Helvetia Drive                                                          
  Anchorage, Alaska  99508                                                     
  561-4959                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 41                                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Marc Bond, Legal Counsel                                                     
  Alyeska Ski Resort                                                           
  1007 W. 3rd Ave., #400                                                       
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  279-3581                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Bill Elander                                                                 
  Anchorage Convention & Visitors Association                                  
  1600 A Street                                                                
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  276-4118                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Steve Rumme, President                                                       
  Alaska Ski Areas Assoc.                                                      
  7015 Abbott Road                                                             
  Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                     
  346-1446                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Ralph Nogal, President                                                       
  Alaska Hotel/Motel Association                                               
  500 W Third Ave.                                                             
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  265-7118                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Thomas McCann, Owner                                                         
  Cleary Summit                                                                
  1218 10th Ave.                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska  99701                                                     
  452-3709                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41 on behalf of the Alaska                 
                       Ski Areas Association                                   
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Dave Lowe                                                                    
  6320 Switzerland Drive                                                       
  Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                     
  345-6854                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 41                                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Susan Lowe                                                                   
  6320 Switzerland Drive                                                       
  Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                     
  345-6854                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 41                                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Lex Patten                                                                   
  Alyeska Ski Club                                                             
  449 Dailey #17                                                               
  Anchorage, Alaska  99515                                                     
  344-0532                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Mike Grandinetti                                                             
  Risk Manager & Safety Director                                               
  Alyeska Ski Resort                                                           
  P.O. Box 249                                                                 
  Girdwood, Alaska  99587                                                      
  783-1091                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Commented on the insurance industry                     
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  Scott Fisher, Owner                                                          
  Foggy Mountain Shop                                                          
  134 Franklin Street                                                          
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  586-6780                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                                                                               
  Don Hitchcock, Director                                                      
  Division of Risk Management                                                  
  Department of Administration                                                 
  P.O. Box 110218                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99811-0218                                                   
  465-2180                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Addressed the Division's concerns                       
                                                                               
  Mitch Gravo, Lobbyist                                                        
  2550 Denali, 17th Floor                                                      
  Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                     
  272-6474                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Answered question re: regulations                       
                                                                               
  Tom Dreyer                                                                   
  2417 St. Elias Drive                                                         
  Anchorage, Alaska  99517                                                     
  248-4118                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 41                                         
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  John Hansen, Gaming Manager                                                  
  Department of Commerce & Economic Development                                
  P.O. Box 110806                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99811-0806                                                   
  465-2581                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 82                                         
                                                                               
  Rod Mourant, Assistant Commissioner                                          
  Department of Revenue                                                        
  P.O. Box 110400                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-0400                                                    
  465-2300                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 82                                         
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB  41                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: CIVIL LIABILITY FOR SKIING ACCIDENTS                            
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) PHILLIPS,Hudson,Porter                         
  TITLE: "An Act relating to civil liability for skiing                        
  accidents, operation of ski areas, and duties of ski area                    
  operators and skiers; and providing for an effective date."                  
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/11/93        34    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        35    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY,                     
  FINANCE                                                                      
  01/26/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
  EXECUTIVE ORDER 82:  EO 82 was previously heard in the House                 
  State Affairs Committee on 1/19/93.                                          
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-4, SIDE A                                                            
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON called the House Labor and Commerce                          
  Committee to order at 3:05 p.m., January 26, 1993.                           
  Members present were Reps. Hudson, Green, Mulder, Porter,                    
  Williams, Sitton and Mackie.                                                 
  HB 41:  CIVIL LIABILITY FOR SKIING ACCIDENTS                                 
                                                                               
  Number 065                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON announced his intention to hear HB 41 but                    
  not pass it out until committee members had a chance to see                  
  what the other body would do with its version.  The Chairman                 
  also announced his intention to appoint a subcommittee to                    
  look at the bill and come up with a committee substitute to                  
  pass out of committee.                                                       
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON directed the committee's attention to two                    
  pieces of proposed legislation that he wanted the committee                  
  to look at for possible sponsorship.  The first piece was                    
  requested by the Department of Labor and concerned                           
  increasing the size of the labor relations board by two.                     
  The second item was a bill concerning the liability of                       
  certain security interest holders.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 080                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. GAIL PHILLIPS testified as the PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 41.                  
  She noted three key areas in the bill:                                       
                                                                               
       1) HB 41 requires that ski area operators safely and                    
  efficiently operate ski areas;                                               
                                                                               
       2) HB 41 makes ski area operators liable for their                      
  negligence; and                                                              
                                                                               
       3) HB 41 requires skiers to take responsibility for the                 
  inherent risks of skiing.                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 113                                                                   
                                                                               
  BRUCE RIZER testified via teleconference from Anchorage in                   
  opposition to HB 41.  He related the circumstances                           
  surrounding the death of his son in 1991 in a skiing                         
  accident at Seibu/Alyeska Ski Resort.  Mr. Rizer indicated                   
  that Seibu has had four deaths at the resort since they have                 
  taken over from Alaska Airlines.  Mr. Rizer noted a recent                   
  study showing there was approximately one skiing death in                    
  1,000,000 visits on average nationwide.  He further stated                   
  that Seibu had 43,000 visits last year and, therefore, it                    
  should have taken them another 23 years before the first                     
  death.                                                                       
                                                                               
  MR. RIZER also outlined court cases involving the liability                  
  of ski area operators and the responsibilities of the skier.                 
                                                                               
  Number 215                                                                   
                                                                               
  LEROY CABANA testified via teleconference against HB 41.                     
  Mr. Cabana felt that the bill would take away any                            
  responsibility on the part of the resorts to take extra                      
  care.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 293                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. JERRY MACKIE noted that there were some safety                          
  provisions in the bill and he wanted the witness to                          
  communicate in writing where he felt the bill was lacking.                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON pointed out that HB 41 was a working                         
  document and if there were any amendments to the bill he                     
  would like them to be faxed to his office.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 384                                                                   
                                                                               
  RHONDA SCOTT testified via teleconference in opposition to                   
  HB 41 as it stood.  She felt the bill allowed complete                       
  immunity to management and that consumers, if injured,                       
  should have legal recourse.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 398                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARC BOND, LEGAL COUNSEL FOR ALYESKA SKI RESORT, testified                   
  via teleconference in favor of HB 41.  He explained that the                 
  bill, as it stood, was an attempt to provide a reasonable                    
  list of specific duties that the ski area operator could                     
  reasonably undertake.  Mr. Bond further commented that the                   
  sport of skiing can never be made 100 percent safe.                          
                                                                               
  MR. BOND said that the bottom line was that the ski area                     
  operator's duties are to provide warnings about certain                      
  hazards and the skier must take personal responsibility for                  
  the risks that could not be reasonably removed.                              
                                                                               
  Number 422                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BRIAN PORTER inquired if the definition of "inherent                    
  risks" that appeared on page 12, line 7, of the bill was the                 
  same definition used in the Colorado law.                                    
                                                                               
  MR. BOND replied in the affirmative.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 439                                                                   
                                                                               
  BILL ELANDER OF THE ANCHORAGE CONVENTION AND VISITORS                        
  BUREAU, testified via teleconference in support of HB 41.                    
  Mr. Elander noted that the board of directors sent the                       
  committee a resolution from the industry stating that they                   
  do recognize that the sport of skiing has inherent risks.                    
                                                                               
  Number 472                                                                   
                                                                               
  STEVE RUMME, PRESIDENT OF THE ALASKA SKI AREAS ASSOCIATION                   
  AND GENERAL MANAGER OF HILLTOP SKI RESORT, testified via                     
  teleconference in support of HB 41.  Mr. Rumme observed that                 
  there was no way to make skiing absolutely safe.  He said he                 
  was concerned that if this legislation was not passed, many                  
  of the smaller ski areas may have to close under the                         
  increasing insurance burden.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 531                                                                   
                                                                               
  RALPH NOGAL, PRESIDENT OF THE ALASKA HOTEL/MOTEL                             
  ASSOCIATION, testified from the Anchorage teleconference                     
  site that he concurred with the preceding speaker in                         
  supporting the legislation.  He said HB 41 would definitely                  
  increase economic development and tourism in the state                       
  because it would put the state's skier liability laws on                     
  equal footing with those of the Western states.  Mr. Nogal                   
  asserted that Alaska would then be able to compete with the                  
  other states and even Canada.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 545                                                                   
                                                                               
  THOMAS McCANN, REPRESENTING THE ALASKA SKI AREAS                             
  ASSOCIATION, AND OWNER OF CLEARY SUMMIT, stated via                          
  teleconference that skiing had changed dramatically in the                   
  last 30 years.  Recent mandatory insurance and state control                 
  have pressured his small ski area to the point where they                    
  may not stay in business.  Mr. McCann hoped that the laws                    
  would be changed to effect a more stable insurance                           
  environment.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 557                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON inquired about insurance costs for small ski                 
  resorts.                                                                     
                                                                               
  MR. McCANN responded that his costs have gone from zero to                   
  $20,000 a year.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 567                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAVE LOWE, testified from Anchorage that he has been an                      
  active skier for the past 40 years and is involved in the                    
  national ski patrol.  Mr. Lowe stated he recognized that                     
  there was a need to share responsibility between management                  
  and the skier.  Mr. Lowe's concern was that HB 41 would                      
  eliminate too much of the liability of the ski area.  Mr.                    
  Lowe further stated that he would support a bill that more                   
  clearly defined the responsibility of both the ski area and                  
  the individual skiers.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 597                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON commented that the committee was looking for                 
  the balance between the responsibility of the operators and                  
  the people who use the ski areas.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 607                                                                   
                                                                               
  SUSAN LOWE testified via teleconference that she was opposed                 
  to HB 41.  She felt the bill takes too much responsibility                   
  away from the operators.  She would like to see the bill                     
  reworked and reworded to provide adequate safety for the                     
  skiers.  Ms. Lowe added that the public also needed to be                    
  educated as to the risks of skiing.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE 4, SIDE B                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 085                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. ELDON MULDER asked if Ms. Lowe had any specific ideas                   
  for safety requirements the committee could consider for                     
  inclusion in HB 41.                                                          
                                                                               
  MS. LOWE did not have any specific areas to address.                         
                                                                               
  Number 170                                                                   
                                                                               
  LEX PATTEN OF THE ALYESKA SKI CLUB, testified via                            
  teleconference that he supported HB 41.  He expressed three                  
  points in favor of the bill:                                                 
                                                                               
       1) skiers use the natural conditions (not groomed) to                   
  improve their skills;                                                        
                                                                               
       2) HB 41 would reduce the cost to the skiers; and                       
                                                                               
       3) he felt that the operators consider safety their                     
  number one concern.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 259                                                                   
                                                                               
  MIKE GRANDINETTI, RISK MANAGER AND SAFETY DIRECTOR AT                        
  ALYESKA SKI RESORT, testified for the record (via                            
  teleconference) that there has been only one death at                        
  Alyeska since Seibu purchased the resort and there are also                  
  over 145,000 skiers per year.                                                
                                                                               
  MR. GRANDINETTI noted that the industry has been enjoying a                  
  soft insurance market recently, but all indications are that                 
  the market will tighten up in the next year or so.  He                       
  believed Alyeska would be able to withstand this increase,                   
  but the smaller areas would be hit pretty hard.                              
                                                                               
  Number 291                                                                   
                                                                               
  SCOTT FISHER, OWNER OF THE FOGGY MOUNTAIN SHOP IN JUNEAU,                    
  testified in support of HB 41.  Mr. Fisher said he has had                   
  extensive experience skiing at over 20 different resorts                     
  around the country and he finds the safety features in                       
  Alaska to be high quality.  Mr. Fisher stated his belief                     
  that ski area operators could not make skiing totally safe                   
  and should not be required to do so.  To do so would only                    
  make skiing more expensive and put it out of the realm of                    
  the average family.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 364                                                                   
                                                                               
  DON HITCHCOCK, DIRECTOR OF THE DIVISION OF RISK MANAGEMENT,                  
  DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION, stated that the official                       
  position of the Division was neutral.  The Division's                        
  concern was that under HB 41 as written, the Department of                   
  Natural Resources would be held to the same liability                        
  standards as the ski area operators when cross-country                       
  skiers used state land with or without sanction.  Mr.                        
  Hitchcock noted that the committee substitute (CS) for the                   
  Senate version of the bill alleviated this problem by                        
  exempting cross-country skiing.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 382                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE inquired if someone from the Department of Labor                 
  could explain what types of regulations there would be under                 
  AS 5.20.070 to deal with violations that constitute                          
  negligence.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 393                                                                   
                                                                               
  MITCH GRAVO, LOBBYIST, responded from the audience that the                  
  Department of Labor would be responsible for promulgating                    
  the regulations needed to administer this bill.                              
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE suggested a more detailed definition of                          
  negligence.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON added that he believed HB 41 may very well                   
  need some definitions in the final legislation.                              
                                                                               
  Number 424                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER inquired whether, under the bill, an operator                    
  was not required to post a warning sign by catwalks, roads                   
  or stumps because they are considered inherent risks.                        
                                                                               
  MR. GRAVO responded that under HB 41 that was not covered,                   
  but the CS the Senate passed out addressed this point.                       
                                                                               
  Number 448                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM DREYER testified from Anchorage that he supported HB 41.                 
  He felt that willing participants in the sport should take                   
  the responsibility for the inherent risks.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 470                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. JOE GREEN commented that he favored the concept of                      
  HB 41, but he was concerned anytime "you waive your legal                    
  recourse."  He further suggested that his concern in trying                  
  to pin down every definition and area of responsibility in                   
  the bill would open a Pandora's box.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 513                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON appointed three members to a subcommittee to                 
  look at HB 41 and come back with recommendations:  Rep.                      
  Mulder as chairman, Rep. Porter and Rep. Mackie.                             
  EO 82:  TRANSFER CHARITABLE GAMING PROGRAM FROM DCRA TO                      
          REVENUE                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 528                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON brought up Executive Order 82, transfer of                   
  the gaming program from the Department of Commerce to the                    
  Department of Revenue.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 530                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN HANSEN, MANAGER OF THE GAMING PROGRAM FOR THE                           
  DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, testified                   
  regarding the history of the gaming program and what the                     
  transfer would accomplish.  He further stated that the                       
  transfer would help better regulate this activity.  Mr.                      
  Hansen offered the following as reasons for the transfer:                    
                                                                               
       1) financial statements organizations are required to                   
  file are in essence tax returns;                                             
                                                                               
       2) the program collects an excise tax of $1.7 million;                  
                                                                               
       3) the auditors and tax examiners the program uses are                  
  Revenue auditors;                                                            
                                                                               
       4) the hearing procedures used are the same ones the                    
  Revenue Department has long established;                                     
                                                                               
       5) the Department of Revenue's hearing staff are used                   
  to hear conflicts with the gaming program.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 580                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HANSEN stated his belief that the transfer was logical                   
  and he was in support of the move.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 587                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON inquired how the program would be set up in                  
  the Department of Revenue.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 589                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROD MOURANT, ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF                    
  REVENUE, answered that the organizational structure of the                   
  program had been discussed, and the department was leaning                   
  towards either the creation of a new division or inclusion                   
  in the Income and Excise Audit Division.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 638                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. JOE SITTON commented that Mr. Hansen had done an                        
  outstanding job and wondered if he was going with the                        
  program.                                                                     
                                                                               
  MR. MOURANT responded that if the program is transferred,                    
  the intention is to retain all current staff.                                
                                                                               
  Number 645                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. GREEN asked if there was a negative cost to this                        
  transfer.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 650                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HANSEN replied that his staff would be better utilized                   
  under the transfer since the program could then use some of                  
  Revenue's expertise.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 683                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. GREEN asked if the legislature could indeed expect to                   
  see a negative fiscal note.  Furthermore, according to Rep.                  
  Green, given the current makeup of the administration,                       
  creating a new board or commission was probably not the best                 
  idea.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 696                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. MOURANT replied that the Department believes there will                  
  be additional cost savings as well as additional revenue.                    
                                                                               
  Number 719                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER expressed concern that the program not be cut in                 
  any way.  He felt that it was an area of regulation in the                   
  state that was underfunded and needed constant attention.                    
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER inquired if there were program receipts.  He                     
  commented that it has been his experience that the state has                 
  the history of regulating at a minimum and allowing the                      
  activity at a maximum, which allows for the potential of                     
  corruption, etc.  He said he would be happy to see an                        
  increase in the program's budget.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 750                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HANSEN replied that the program receipts were $1.7                       
  million and the program expends $600,000.  He further noted                  
  that the program has a very minimum staff to run a $200                      
  million industry.                                                            
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON inquired about the current staff and asked                   
  if they would remain the same.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 770                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. MOURANT explained that the Department has no intention                   
  of disrupting the program as it stands organizationally or                   
  geographically, nor does the department intend to pare down                  
  the budget in any way.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 780                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON suggested that the program staff prepare                     
  some suggestions for the next committee of referral (House                   
  Judiciary) about making the program more efficient given the                 
  huge load they have to regulate and control.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 791                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER inquired if the program has any legislation they                 
  were planning to introduce this year.                                        
                                                                               
  MR. HANSEN replied that he had met with the Governor's                       
  Office and there may be some bills coming, but he could not                  
  speak for the Governor's Office.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 877                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER recommended that EO 82 be moved out of                           
  committee.  With no objection, it was so ordered.                            
                                                                               
  Number 890                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON directed the committee's attention to the                    
  two pieces of proposed legislation:                                          
                                                                               
       1) the liability  of certain security interest holders;                 
                                                                               
       2) expand the labor relations board from three to six                   
  members, and provide for an honorarium.                                      
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON adjourned the meeting at 4:56 p.m.                           

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